The Mole

The MOD - Unfit For Purpose

June 2008

I am often asked why the MOD makes so many strange decisions and seems to care so little about the welfare of its personnel. People are surprised to read about expensive computer systems that fail to pay service members their proper salaries — or pay them late. Some are shocked by the apparent dumping of severely wounded personnel from Afghanistan and Iraq into civilian hospital wards, remote from their regiments and families, or the massive contracts for systems that are delivered late and don’t work properly, or the strange failure to publicise genuine successes and minor victories achieved “against the odds” in Afghanistan and Iraq.


None of these scandals — or many others less well known — would surprise anyone who knows the MOD and what it has become.

 

Most people still believe that the MOD is essentially a military organisation. It is not. It is an organisation dominated numerically, culturally and structurally by civil servants and consultants, many of whom are unsympathetic to its underlying purpose or even hostile to the military and its ethos. You just have to spend a few days at the MOD before you realise that the culture there is not just non-military, but anti-military.


That is one reason why so few of us (except for the chiefs of staff) regularly wear our uniforms to the office. Officers who desire a career in politics or the Civil Service try to seem as civilian as possible, and soon start speaking in the consultants’ jargon favoured by the “fast-track” Civil Service. (It is telling that senior officers have generally failed to champion the wearing of uniforms in public by members of the armed forces.)


I once attended a meeting of MOD civil servants about “outsourcing” parts of the military. I was out of uniform. My colleagues were keen on outsourcing as much as possible; I argued that stripping out logistics and other capacity from the armed forces is dangerous — it means no longer having cooks and technicians who can be handed a weapon and told to fight. I asked the people around the table, “Who actually loves the military in all this?” There was an awkward silence. So I repeated the question in different form: “Who is putting the military requirement first?” One of the civil servants, a woman on the “fast track”, actually giggled. I reiterated that this was a serious question and noted that I was the only service person present. There was then great embarrassment as no one in the room had realised beforehand that I was a serving military officer. I probably wouldn’t have been invited if they had known.


The contrast with the US Department of Defense could not be greater. The Pentagon is a first-rate military organisation (at least in terms of status) where the MOD is not. At the Pentagon, every military person is expected to be in uniform; and it’s the civilians who feel and recognise that they are the supporting cast. Military officers are frequently loaned to other ministries such as the State Department and they continue to wear their uniforms there. The reverse is true in the UK where the Civil Service and its “unions” not only resist the wearing of uniforms but also any systematic secondments (as opposed to hand-picked placements) from the military.


The MOD has slipped from being one of the top five ministries to one of second or even third rank. Moreover, even if our top generals wanted to oppose some aspect of defence policy, they would find the MOD’s structure is now rigged so that civil servants increasingly come between them and the government.


Back in the late 1980s things were very different. It was only two decades since the Admiralty, Air Ministry and Ministry of War had been folded into a combined HQ. In those days there was broadly a one-to-four ratio of civilian to military personnel. On any project you would have one member of each service, plus a “scientific civilian”.


After that two doctrines came into play — “jointness” and “equivalency”. Together they drove out specialised military professionalism and brought in a new managerial, non-specialist cadre of civil servants. The result was that MOD projects needed only one member of the armed forces. A pre-existing and efficient culture of interaction and debate and testing of ideas was driven out.


Now the ratio of civilians to service-members is closer to six to one — not including the ever-growing numbers of consultants and Spads (special advisers) or the parallel government structures in the cabinet office and the PM’s policy unit which may be driving the ratio towards 12 to one. Essentially the military has lost command of its own HQ.


Worse still, the civil servants who now dominate the MOD are a different breed from those who staffed it in the 1980s. In those days there were still many civil servants who had served in the Second World War or Korea, or who had at least done national service. They respected and understood the armed services; they believed an effective military was important and had usually learnt essential skills of leadership and management. They were loyal to the Queen (then the head of the Civil Service), to the Civil Service itself and to its code, and to the service arm they were working for. They have all gone.


Their successors tend to see the services as a tiresome anachronism, peopled by unsympathetic, old-fashioned social types. For many of them the MOD, with its part-time minister, is merely a stepping stone to greater things. From the perspective of such bureaucrats, the main point of the organisation, apart from furthering individual career paths, has less to do with the defence of the realm than with policy goals such as Europ­ean integration, the implementation of UN mandates and the expansion (and therefore dilution) of Nato.


Cost-cutting at the MOD comes at the expense of the uniformed services. That is partly because military officials are more expensive: the civilian equivalent of a colonel is paid less. But it is mostly because military people get in the way and ask awkward questions.


At the MOD, while there’s endless talk of “throughput” and other jargon, there is surprisingly little technical knowledge. There used to be a strong cadre of science civil servants but they went too, after the Defence Research Agency was sold off to Qinetiq, leaving behind a managerial rump known as DSTL (Defence Science and Technology Labor­atory) — soon probably also for the chop. Qinetiq, through a process of asset-stripping, has gone on to sell what were the crown jewels of British science. Our famous wind tunnels, and also the “Dark Hangar”, where some of the most important SAS techniques and weaponry were developed, have all been demolished. And where have the public millions gone? Often to the private pockets of the public servants who led on privatisation. It is a national disgrace.


The real point of most MOD contracts is industrial strategy. We buy planes or vehicles or systems not because they are the best we can afford for the task in hand but because they mean jobs in some part of the country. Or because they further European integration. This is why we buy helicopters like the Merlin that cost more than three times the price of the US Blackhawk. As a result we don’t have decent airlift capacity in Afghanistan, and our infantry in Basra were the first British troops to go into battle without dedicated “on-call” air cover since the First World War.


Though all the services suffer under the MOD regime, relations between the forces are worse than ever. The Army is angriest because it is bearing the brunt of actual operations. It used to complain about the RAF. Now that so much money is being spent on maritime projects unlikely to see action, it increasingly resents the Royal Navy. This is only deepened by the arrogance and incompetence of the Navy itself, as exemplified by the Shatt-al-Arab incident last year.


Because the services haven’t had the budget increases they need to fight the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the military is running out of everything. We’re running out of trucks, for instance. And when things break they aren’t being replaced. Increasingly one gets the impression that the civil servants don’t care if the forces are broken — their careers will not be affected. But it may also be that some civil servants and a body of politicians, from both Left and Right, would actually be happy for the military to be broken in Iraq and Afghanistan. Then they will have truly achieved the Europeanisation of Britain’s armed forces along the lines of a purely defensive “UK Defence Force”. War will somehow have been abolished — until, of course, it returns at a time of our enemies’ choosing.

 

The author is a military officer who has worked for several years at the MOD.
COMMENTS: 34

COMMENTS

Anonymous
May 30th, 2008
11:05 AM
Happy first issue from the other side of the pond! May you reverse the MoD's decline in short order: Europe's union will be worthless without self-defense and military tradition.

Jonathan Miller
June 2nd, 2008
9:06 AM
This is a great piece. It is true. Yet the actual situation in Iraq and Afghanistan is also much worse than the piece describes. There is now a institutionalised psychosis about all government defence policy. The Eurofighter, for example, which is years late, billions over budget, plays no part in Iraq or Afghanistan, but is built in Labour marginal constituencies, is not a weapon so much as a recycling schemes for petrodollars, involving bribery on a heroic scale. Trident replacement of the not-independent nuclear deterrent is an equal waste of money. These ships will be built, of course, in Scotland. Supported by the Tories! The priority of defence procurement over actual defence is the ultimate betrayal of our soldiers. It is true that the average officer is pretty thick. Still, the place to start is by abolishing the RAF and Navy and putting the army in charge. Then, making it buy weapons only on a value-for-money basis (i.e., never from corrupt BAe Systems). Next: Hanging the civil servants and the useless defence correspondents from the lamp posts of Whitehall. And finally, rendition of the bribing arms salesmen to the tender mercies of American prosecutors, hopefully including waterboarding.

Phillip Covill
June 3rd, 2008
5:06 AM
Dear God I had no idea things were so bad for the Army, my brother has done some medical ops in Afganistan with you Brits and he came away impressed. I am retired U.S. Navy and was less than impressed with leadership shown during the illegal kidnapping of your sailors by Iran. God help you, sir

Anonymous
June 3rd, 2008
12:06 PM
Who controls the money? Procurement by civil servants with a lack of connection and interest in the armed forces must be at the root of these problems. Somehow the forces have to regain the financial vital ground and ensure that purchasing represents their (genuine) needs and priorities. Dare I suggest that military training should better equip Officers for these, vital battles?

Anonymous
June 4th, 2008
4:06 PM
I know all too well about civil servants and procurement. The bloke who asked R.G. for a million rounds of their cheapest 5.56mm ammunition probably couldnt cares less that the ISO container was to be sent to Kuwait in preperation for OP TELIC (How we chuckled when it was opened, NOT). How many more millions/billions are going to be wasted by them feathering their own nests? How many lives will it take before something is done about it? The MOD should be run by the military, but not by officers that are out of touch with todays requirements on the battle field. I could go on but my blood pressure is going of the scale.

Graeme
June 4th, 2008
8:06 PM
Typhoon is working up to deploying to afghanistan, as for putting the army in charge you must be joking is taken you a decade to decide to buy an off the shelf APC (FRES)

Brace
June 4th, 2008
10:06 PM
This is a great article, with a chilling sense of veracity about it. I was not a professional soldier, merely a NS, but I've always felt the MOD ought to be one of the three key ministries, with clout to match.It's emasculation by successive governments, not least, New Labour, is tragic to behold and may well come home to haunt us. Ironic that our Prime Minister's initials are 'GB'.

James
June 5th, 2008
2:06 AM
Disgraceful development. Great article.

Nutstrangler (REME Rtd.)
June 5th, 2008
12:06 PM
Graeme, do you think that the Army decided to go for that? WRONG! Yet another c***-up to be laid at the door of MOD.

James K
June 6th, 2008
12:06 PM
It is not only MOD that is unfit for purpose, but the entire civil service. We have more educational bureaucrats than teachers, and an NHS manager for every 4 hospital beds. A policeman must fill in 15 forms when he makes an arrest, and spends more time at his desk than out on the streets. The government simply doesn't know how to reverse this trend, so they spend a lot of money on management consultants to tell them; but they don't know either, or won't say because the repeat business is so lucrative. It's a disease of modern life. If you knew how to cure it, you would probably win the Nobel Prize for Economics.

Edward Stafford
June 7th, 2008
8:06 AM
In your article you refer to "the expansion (and therefore dilution) of Nato." I'd argue that the expansion of NATO brought in greater vitality and several members who are well aware of the need for a robust military, and whose professional military personnel are respected for their judgement and expertise. The addition of the Poles and the Romanians has not diluted either the military capacity or the political will to use force if needed to confront threats to collective security. If wise, the UK and others would forge strong cooperative ties with the new members' militaries and military traditions before they are emasculated by the Brussels bureacrats.

Anonymous
June 9th, 2008
4:06 PM
Yes!, the UK would be much better forming new ties with the new members of new Europe - in Rumsfeld's terms. The problem is two fold: first that multinational organisations make you legitimate; not necessarily effective. The second, which is linked, is that as one expands, the harder it becomes to make yourself effective. Effective means being deployable - not just acting as border guards. On that count, NATO Europe fails miserably and the Eastern members, although deploying, need a great deal of support (and dollars) to do so. NATO has for a long time needed to move towards a tiered organisation. That is politically unacceptable. But certain members should be able to join the top table - by percentage contribution in terms of boots on the ground and gold expended. On that basis, at the top table one would see the US, Canada, the Netherlands, the UK (France as it returns), Norway and Turkey (both not part of the EU) and (probably ) Poland. Since this will not be possible - NATO expansion has created NATO dilution in terms of effectiveness if not legitimacy.

Anonymous
June 12th, 2008
6:06 PM
There are some good points made here about the attitudes of the Civil Service and government towards defence. However, the criticism of the RN is entirely mis-placed. Equipment shortfalls and problems have been caused by unexpected operational demands (we were clearly not equipped fully for current ops, a scale which was actually set out in the 1997 Strategic Defence Review). Instead of being funded from contingency funds the GBP2bn operating costs has led to a...2bn hole in the procurement budget. The Navy's systems of which the author is so critical will provide the fire/air support which he is crying out for (via CVF, also TLAMS and NGS). The Royal Marines have sustained disproportionate casualties in ops and the RN has put huge effort into providing air support and transport! Without the logistical support provided the Army would not be able to deploy anywhere. The author also fails to realise that maritime systems form the UK's conventional and nuclear deterrent are to some extent therefore NOT intended to be used! A consistent failure of understanding by the other services - the RAF most of all - politicians and the public alike is the central role in the UK's foreign policy and national strategy that the RN plays. It could easily be argued that ops in Iraq and Afghanistan have been extremely misguided and the UK should focus on a contribution to the maritime domain, a position in which it's national interests and security are truly at stake. One error mishandling the Iran incident does not require slurs on the professionalism or excellence of the RN and this kind of finger-pointing attitude (which certain members of the Army have been all to willing to do against both sister services) will not help the forces to win the Whitehall battles they must fight - and learn to fight better.

michael partington UKNDA member
June 13th, 2008
4:06 AM
I couldn't agree with you more they should make the MOD insulated from party politics with its own fixed % of GDP Run by its own military and civilian personnel who should be outside of the civil service governed by political parties. Procurement should be based on quality than used as political tools for winning votes like the CVF program or Typhoon fighters . The winning of contracts on this basis just flushes money down the toilet i.e Type 45 Destroyer cost per ship about £1 billion pounds / Arliegh Burke cost £700 million pounds,future lynx helicoptors for 70 helicoptors £ 3 billion pounds which is an unbelieveable amount when 70 UH/MH 60 Blackhawks cost about £700 million where is the cost saving in this why did this government sell 3 type 23 Frigates costing over £500 pre 1997 prices for only £134 million pounds to Chile when the royal navy are having to send RFA and Ampihibious ships on anti Drug patrols in the Carribean and sending out the aircraft carriers to sea without its Aircraft (GR7/9)harriers because they can't send another european white elephant the GR tornados instead running these harriers into the ground the government use the old we have the longest stustained growth in the defence budget for ten years but £30 billion pounds in 1997 bought a hell of a lot more than £33.4 billion does now it says alot for the contemp this government this government shows for the military when they spend more on the national Debt interest than it gives for the defence of this country. I always thought the first priority of government is defence of the realm not defence of labour vote's for jobs

Mahan
June 13th, 2008
7:06 PM
Does one detect in the defensive response by 'anonymous' the skilled hands of the naval staff - certainly the run of figures would suggest so!? The RN is indeed paying for operations from its budget. It has also been hobbled by the replacement Trident Programme when a) it was unnecessary to replace at this time (see the House of Lords debate on the subject) and b) alternative (submarine) solutions were 'hoving too' over the horizon. It would have been better to have waited - but then 'orders were needed', you see. CVF is something else entirely. The Navy wanted this and has brought it / wished it upon itself at huge cost when other solutions might have been more appropriate. Numbers count. The RM are indeed hugely involved around the world but they too feel distanced from the RN. Why, for example, were neither of the 'Robs' made CINCFLEET and then VCDS or even CDS? Why, because the RN system, fixated as it is on its own 'elite' and on technology and capabilities, would not allow it. That is Luddite, arrogant and incompetent in my book. The worry about the 'Iran incident' is that it exposed a real concern in the country and the other Services, as a whole, about the Navy. How deep were the problems and why were there no Courts Martial's? The only way to have cleared the air was to have Court Martialled - in the traditional (non-Byng) naval sense - those culpable. By not doing so, the RN a) surrendered the high ground and so huge amounts of authority to the civil service (and thence to the Cabinet Office, Spads and politicos) that has affected all three services adversely ever since and b) 'signaled' to everyone that the RN top brass was, indeed, covering up. It was also the cowardly PC thing to do. Of course the UK needs a Navy and all you say is right - but we need a navy of scope, size, vision, capacity and numbers (of ships and people). That is not what we have at the moment; nor is it where the RN is heading. Wish that it were. Finally, of course, the Services need to unite but they will not do so without heavy dollops of humble pie (at least with each other) and an honest appreciation of the current situation. My advice: seize the day; seize back HQ!!!

Richard Curling
June 14th, 2008
2:06 PM
Ring fencing 3% of GDP for the armed forces is a great idea. As for the MoD, a revolution is needed. Maggie sorted out extreme unions. Who will tackle the Civil Service (a double oxymoron)?

Anonymous
June 15th, 2008
8:06 PM
Its very easy to knock civil servants isn't it? And the author seems to make a very good case, until you know a little of what he's talking about. There's no point arguing against much of what he says, it seems to be petty frustrations on his part but there are some mistakes which should probably be pointed out. Firstly civil servants or their unions have nothing to do with the policy on wearing the uniform, this is down to security concerns and if the author has been to other mod establishments around the country he'll see the rules are relaxed locally. Secondly, across the department the ratio of military to MOD civil servants is more like 3 armed forces personnel to 1, not 6 to 1 the other way. There also seems to be a common misconception that big procuremnet projects are run by civil servants alone. A quick peek inside the world of military procurement will demonstrate that military personnel are leading and are at the heart of all procuremnt teams - and the many many projects that go according to plan just aren't reported. Yes, there is a lot wrong with the MOD but to blame it solely on civil servants is rather simplistic. I'd be willing to bet that the majority around the country, and those serving alongside their military colleagues abroad, are incredibly proud to be doing the job they do. Many have also dedicated their entire lives to supporting our armed forces, without recognition. From my experience, which goes beyond working in the HQ in London, civil servants and their armed forces colleagues work well together and share many of the frustrations of working for a large government department together. I'm certainly proud of doing what I can to make the lives of the brave men and women who serve our country better and easier and have seen first hand the incredible job they do in very difficult situations.

pepys
June 16th, 2008
3:06 PM
Re anonymous on the civil service, above: It is uncertain if anonymous read the article - RFA - or only what he wanted to hear / was told to see. The Civil Service has a number of unions, official or otherwise - from the First Division through to the Permanent Under Secretaries' get togethers. One should not underestimate their influence and control - including on things like the wearing of uniform and conduct in general. See the Civil Services' own (much breached) code of conduct if you are uncertain. Like many things, it depends on where you make the cut. The article was about MOD (Whitehall) I think. It mentioned also the extended and parallel departments that have formed in the last 15 years. Take the cut where 'power and policy connect' and the ratios are nothing like the ones you portray and probably more like the one's suggested in the article. But who actually knows? Looking at the article from a number of angles, the author does not appear to attack the civil service solely or per se. It appears to me to be an attack against the clique and the culture of the senior civil servants who 'manage' Whitehall - and the other departments. It is not an attack on the brave souls who go out and support the military from the wider MOD and other government departments. But look at those (more often than not specialists as opposed to generalist managers and junior, not senior civil servants) that do? Do they get advancement or preferential treatment for serving their country so honorably in this way? By and large no. They are out of Whitehall and out of sight (and off site) and promotion is more likely to go to the noble souls, safe at home, than the ones returning. Why? And in case you have not noticed, the same rules the CS abide by are restricting those specialists going out to difficult places on grounds of 'Health and Safety' or ridiculously applied EO or diversity. And when you try to contact a major department, you invariably meet with someone on 'job share'. So when you call back, you have to start all over again...civil and service? In my mind the great civil servants were those who knew what service and serving was about. They were honorable and trusted individuals driven by what was good for their Country and Queen (when she was still head of the Civil Service, as the article notes). They were not civil in the sense of servile but civil in the sense of discretion, dignity, service and reputation. Clearly you write from experience. You appear though to protest too much. The Civil Service by any yardstick is a failing organization - particularly in Whitehall - driven, as it is, by managerialism. A key rule of warfare (or any successful business / organization for that matter) I seem to recall, is 'not to reinforce failure'. By defending the indefensible you are essentially doing just that. The CS needs to change itself and its culture - can it? That is the question the Country as a whole wants to know and anonymous, I would humbly suggest, might do better answering than protesting.

Stephanie Gutmann
June 21st, 2008
9:06 AM
no, no, no Mr. Anonymous You completely idealize the Pentagon. Everything you complain about has happened to the U.S. military. I wrote all about it in a book titled The Kinder, Gentler Military which was published in 2000 by Scribner of New York. Do not idealize the Pentagon. Whether people wear uniforms or not on the job means little. Any organization that becomes too big -- and the US military is needlessly bloated -- becomes a bureaucracy and begins to be dominated by bureaucrats and clerks. It's easy to get very far from military values when you are very far from the fray, locked up in a fluorescent-lit, rather dingy office complex (i.e. the Pentagon) competing for funds bestowed by a politically correct, civilian congress.

Patrick Heren
June 25th, 2008
3:06 PM
Disgraceful as the MOD may be, the heart of the problem lies in Downing Street. The bureaucrats operate in an environment established by their political masters, especially Tony Blair. It was Mr Blair who committed the British Army to a series of adventures which required above all large numbers of infantrymen. At the same time his government set about reducing the numbers of infantry battalions from 40 to 32. The British infantry are superb, and widely recognised around the world as such. But they are not supermen. We failed in Basra because we needed three times as many troops to dominate the militias and deter the Iranians. The commitment to Afghanistan was laughable, initially one battalion tasked, according to our dysfunctional government, to defend women's rights and discourage the growing of poppy. Most shaming is the lack of debate in Britain about this systemic failure. I hope that Standpoint's article will help regenerate public consciousness of military matters.

Anonymous
June 27th, 2008
5:06 PM
It is worth bearing in mind that with the lack of will on the part of Downing street and other main EU countries, NATO expansion has dilluted the idiocy of NATO. Romanian Forces have probably played a greater role in security in Afghanistan than French forces. It is true that in some circomstances the uniform matters little, it is also true that officers can be held accountable by their men and other military personnel in a way that military personnel cannot hold civilians accountable. At this point, the British military is respected for its technology, not for its expertise or will among new NATO countries.

Ex MoD and NATO Warrior
June 28th, 2008
8:06 AM
This is an important article and brings together several important strands. The first is the creeping erosion of the military ethos, support and values within the nation, reflected by the giggly young civil servant. However, the civil service - like the services themselves - only reflect the education, experience and values of the society from which it is drawn. Second is the msisunderstanding of Defernce as an 'insurance' policy as much as anything else.You can't plan for the unexpected: but you can certainly prepare for it. Next I would identify the Achilles heel of the Armed Armed Services themselves in confronting the sustained attack by the No 10 -Treasury- MoD Civil Service nexus over the past decade. Inter-service fighting over the MoD budget has allowed the administration to set the armed forces at each other's budgetary throats. This ability to divide and rule the three services has been disastrous. For example, it is not an either/or between fighting a hot war in in Afghanistan and procuring new frigates or aeroplanes. The two budgets are separate things and should be handled that way. Not for nothing did Willy Whitelaw caution Margaret Thatcher on no account to have a memeber of the Treasury team in any war cabinet. The Treasury's job is to pay for the wars that the politicians choose to fight, not to control them. If Britain is to retain a sovereign defence capability then we need a complete re-evaluation of just how we handle defence. Conspiracy theorists might even believe that the whole affair is in fact a long term hidden policy to run down our armed forces in order to pool them with Europe as that would be cheaper. We need to start putting the armed forces back on the political and social agenda of the national debate. A first step would be robust and critical public leadership by senior officers. They are - not yet, anyway - emphatically not in post to reflect the views of the political party in power. They are there to prepare for wars, and to act as the mouthpieces of the soldiers, sailors and airmen for which they are responsible and which they are charged to lead.

clive
June 28th, 2008
12:06 PM
'Army Surplus': with the end of the British empire and the end of the Soviet empire UK forces have been whittled down to become a exercise in nostalgia. The British army has fewer than 100,000 under arms making it technically a defence force. Against this background dont be surprised that the MOD has abandoned the so-called covenant years ago. Because it has become cosmetic I feel that flesh and blood troops should only be used to defend the British Isles and that UN projects should be done by countries who have large standing armies with surplus capacity. Britain is no longer one of these.

Big Rab EX Royal Highland Fusilier
July 6th, 2008
9:07 PM
This should be re titled the enemy within, pray someone stops the rot.

Exasperated
July 6th, 2008
11:07 PM
I work in one of the defence technical colleges and we are at the mercy of civil servant management and instructional staff. Civilian staff are far cheaper but completely inflexible and unfortunately led astray by barrack room lawyers and trade union reps who fail to see what we are supposed to be achieving. When you have soldiers organising and delivering training they do it to the best of their ability, make do with limited resources, work unsocial hours if that's what the job takes and overall deliver training that is 100% contextual. The majority of the civilian instructors are ex-military staff who are merely topping up their pension and clocking off at 1630, they no longer care about operational relevance, thinking that we are fighting the 4th shock army across the Rhine. The tail is wagging the dog. But it's absolutely essential that every soldier makes sure he is in there where it counts, in as many of these decisions as possible and understands how these penny-pinching people think in order to be ahead of the game and fight for Queen and Country. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

Cpl, British Army
July 6th, 2008
11:07 PM
This is scary

CA. Ex Para Reg
July 10th, 2008
12:07 PM
Can I join the MOD slagging off session? Here's my two penneth; In May I emailed the US Military's Medical Research and Material Command, seeing if they were interested in our Hands-Free Drinking System to help hydrate their injured and disabled service personnel coming back from Afghanistan. I timed it so they'd receive my email first thing in the morning. They took just three hours to write back to advise me of the procedure and who to contact. They even answered my follow-on questions. On the same day I wrote letters to the various Head Shed within the Defence Medical Services Dept. Six weeks later and a chase-up phone call to Whitehall - still waiting for an acknowledgement. I also wrote with reference to Headley Court, offering some free-issue equipment to help our personnel in rehab - still no reply. Is this reality? A reflection of what's happening in the rest of the MOD/Services? I hope not but if so, maybe it's why I didn't respond to the call to celebrate at Buck Palace. God save the Queen.

Mike
July 18th, 2008
4:07 PM
This is one of the most pathetic, whining articles imaginable. Whoever wrote it clearly has no knowledge of the MOD and the way things work. Example - procurement of military equipment is run almost completely by senior military Officers who head up the 'DECs' (Directorate Equipment Capability), so blame them for petty inter-service fighting which leads to wasted billions. Other than that, this article strings together a few meaningless anecdotes and writes off the many dedicated people working to support the military whilst being paid half what their equivalent in the services are. You are a disgrace, and you know it, because you don't have the balls to give you name. Idiot.

Bob
July 18th, 2008
4:07 PM
Any comment made about 80,000 people is bound to be unreasonable and stereotypical for most of those it applies to and this article is no exception. Especially amazing is the attack on 'fast track' (no such thing Anonymous, can only imagine you mean Fast Stream?) for the problems at the top of the shop? That's essentially blaming the apprentice for the state of the management team. There are numerous problems with MOD at the moment, do you really believe they'd be solved by handing management processes to uniformed officers with no background for it? Surely the answer is for the best of the uniformed services and the civil service to work together to minimise bureaucracy and deliver the armed forces we need for a world that is much changed since the glory days you talk of. Reinstating a 1980s MOD for 2008 world isn't the answer, symmetrical inter-nation conflicts are not our future. As for the uniform issue, I'd recommend a trip to Bristol, where virtually all uniform personnel wear uniform and the healthy mix of civvy to services is clear to the eye.

Kacey
July 19th, 2008
12:07 AM
When visiting the website Armed Forces m23, (http://www.armedforces.co.uk/mod/listings/l0023.html) it is immediately obvious that the 'management of defence' is to take the place of the British MoD. It is the UK arm of the European Defence Agency and makes very interesting reading. To reduce the British Nation's defence so that it cannot protect itself from attack is an act of Treason.

Sunningdale
July 21st, 2008
4:07 PM
One must be grateful to Bob and Mike – sounds like a new comedy duo – for simultaneously (?) continuing the debate started by the MOD Unfit for Purpose article. Like any debate, as it goes on, one needs to familiarise oneself with the facts and not just the debate. We should be grateful for Bob’s figures which, if correct, suggest that for every Service-person there are 2/5th of a civil servant. If this is the case, one can only wonder if this is the highest ratio it has ever been? For example, there are almost as many civil servants as in the Royal Navy and the Royal Air Force combined. Since, as Bob and Mike also observe, many of these same civil servants are in the MOD-DECs and at Abbey Wood and most of the spending goes on RN and RAF acquisitions, one must presume the majority are supporting these two Services and not the Army? Perhaps that helps explain why the Army so often gets the worst of all spending (think of the SA80 rifle saga) – and also why it can get out of the mire faster? Fast track or fast stream, who really cares – the results speak for themselves. No doubt a civil servant somewhere, along with his or her consultant buddies, came up with the appalling oxymoron ‘Value for Money’ (VfM). Perhaps Bob and Mike can explain to us where they put their value – certainly not where Mike puts his mouth. Or perhaps neither has been reading the Qinetiq debacle broken by Standpoint (and lauded in the Spectator)? As ‘Pepys’ observes in earlier comment, the MOD article actually attacks ‘the clique and the culture of the senior civil servants who “manage” Whitehall - and the other departments. It is not an attack on the brave souls who go out and support the military from the wider MOD and other government departments’. As Pepys’ also says, this is where ‘power and policy connect’. Neither does the article suggest, in Bob’s words, ‘handing management processes to uniformed officers with no background for it.’ In fairness to ‘Bob’, he does go on to suggest a new model is required. Just that – but fast streaming or fast tracking, whatever you call it, delivers trained and certified people; not educated and experienced ones. By and large, the military have emerged as the better qualified and educated in the recent past – for which the ‘Whitehall Civil Service’ gives them little or no credit. Except to place 34 year old ‘fast-dreamers (; early-ejaculators?)’ above Colonels and even Brigadiers. To cap it all, there was indication earlier this year that these same ‘Whitehall Civil Servants’, having got rid of the scientists and doers amongst their ranks, are now targeting the military along just the lines suggested by Bob. If that is the model Bob is suggesting, it will break the military even faster – perhaps that is what Bob and Mike actually want? Finally Mike, I would strongly advise that you check your ‘England’ before writing your prose – ‘...to give _you_ name. You idiot’ – it does not reflect well on the Civil Service if this is indicative of their current etiquette training and writing skills. I also strongly advise that you examine the current MOD gagging order before putting ‘your name to your mouth’ – no doubt it was also drafted by some obscure Whitehall Civil Servant.

Mike
July 22nd, 2008
12:07 PM
Sunningdale, sounds like a little bitterness is creeping in here. Perhaps a failed Fast-Stream applicant? No-one ever suggested that Fast-Streamers are 'experienced' (although many of them come from highly successful private-sector backgrounds) but do you honestly think they aren't educated? 13,000 men and women a year apply to the scheme, from which 300 are selected - tells you something doesn't it? As for your comment that all the Fast-Stream provides is 'trained and certified' people, how many current MOD Fast-Streamers do you know? I'm guessing the answer to that would be sweet FA, so you speak from no experience or knowledge - way to go Sunningdale...

Lex, Civ. Techy
July 22nd, 2008
10:07 PM
Being new to the MoD, I am mutual. Every millitary requires a business backbone. Otherwise it would not be sustainable. Considering us Civi's arent as technical-minded as millitary personell, we are less able or incompetant at doing our jobs? - What absolute rubbish! I feel the writer of this article has some resentment against the non-millitary personell, in all fairness, we are an economical threat (being cheaper) I can sense his anger may have stemmed from years of millitary discipline and training - which I respect, but respect is a two-way thing. "Why pay more, when you can pay less?" (no one got rich by giving money away, and their reasoning for this "increase" is unknown) And unless you are in-the-know (with the true facts), you arent in a position to comment on the decisions of others. - The media are known to be biased by the general population. Humans by nature dont adapt well to change, after settling in, but we all march on in life!

Jonathan Foreman
August 1st, 2008
6:08 PM
There is more discussion of this article and the issues it raises on 'The Guardroom': Standpoint's defence and security blog. http://www.standpointmag.co.uk/guardroom

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